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  Climate Change - True Believer or Skeptic?

  by Simon in

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  climate change ... who doesn't believe it?

  crazy fools and science deniers ... right?.

  it seems like it's become the new religion, the new orthodoxy, that must be accepted and believed as gospel and preached to all.. is it ok to be skeptical?.

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  joey jojo

  A healthy dose of skepticism is always a good idea.

  My take is that even if we are only 50% responsible for the warming of the planet we need to take steps right now to change our behaviour.

  If the science is right, the Antarctic ice core samples provide fairly compelling evidence. They have samples that are around 800 thousand years old and the gas samples taken show the atmosphere goes through an incredibly stable cycle every 100 thousand years, where the co2 levels rise and fall. Until the 1950s, when the co2 levels break out of cycle. Coincidentally, it's also the decade that humans started driving gas guzzlers en masse and airline industry started taking off.

  The sea levels are rising, expanding is probably a more accurate description and if the Antarctic ice sheet starts melting, then it's game over.

  Unlike other interested parties, what do climate scientists have to gain by publishing their research?
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  Need Help - How do I refute this???

  by HappyBlessedFree in

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  so i was talking with my husband about all the things the organization is doing ie.

  hiding pedophiles, lying about what 1914 was etc.

  so his response was that the nation of israel had times when they weren’t doing the right thing, but it was still gods chosen organization.. another topic we were talking about was disfellowshipping.

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  joey jojo

  Depending on the personality of your partner, a point by point debate could take a long time and end up devolving until you are mentally exhausted.

  There is no easy answer because even if he agrees on some points, it may always come back to whether you believe the wts is gods appointed channel.
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  Will You Stop Listening To Michael Jackson’s Music?

  by minimus in

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  since the hbo documentary, more people are condemning mj.

  will these child abuse allegations affect you if you ever liked his music?.

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  joey jojo

  A court of his pears choose the second option.

  Really, what were the parents of these kids thinking? Maybe too busy cashing cheques and enjoying their new lavish lifestyles to really do what was best for their children.

  Well, if a child is abused and justice isn't done, maybe cash can help give them some opportunities they wouldn't have had otherwise. Provided the parents invest in into their children.
  
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  New Upcoming Changes - No More Publisher Record Cards & Reporting Hours

  by thedepressedsoul in

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  publisher record cards and reporting hours will be going away.

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  coming soon.. made this post 4 years ago, it happened - https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/24020002/kingdom-consolidation-sales-coming-reliable-source.

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  joey jojo

  Wow- interesting topic.

  Hard to imagine an end to preaching because, as stated by so many, its the way dubs prove themselves to be worthy. Remember the scripture... 'hours cover a multitude of sins' - or maybe it doesn't say that, I get confused sometimes.

  Perhaps, if they remove the need to report, they will institute an attendance record to gauge a persons spirituality. That is, simply counting the number of times you preach a month compared to actual hours.

  Any of the reasons listed in the thread could be feasible for the org to go down this path of non-reporting, from financial to privacy concerns. Anything they do wouldn't surprise me.
  
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  Comparison of Jan 14 and 15 days texts

  by helpmeout in

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  i couldn’t help but notice the juxtaposition of the day text for jan 14 and 15. the first is about following the disfellowshipping decree, the second is about showing compassion.

  i ask you, “if an active jw were to miss following both of these texts, which one would they most likely be counseled on?”.

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  joey jojo

  Hey Fink.

  You described it beautifully.

  It is completely irresponsible for a jw parent, in particular to wipe their hands of their own children if they get disfellowshipped.

  It is still happening in my own family to one of my siblings decades after the event. At what point do parents get to absolve themselves from blame for how their children turn out? It makes me sick.

  The exact opposite is the love and support I have witnessed in so called worldly parents that support and care for their own kids when they struggle in life.
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  Elders encouraging young ones to live in a fairy tale

  by Addison0998 in

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  so one of the elders at the meeting tonight addressed to parents in his talk, “if your child wants to flip burgers for the rest of their life, because that’s is the only job that will allow them to have a schedule for full time service, you would want to support them the best you can.” he has also said told parents that if their children already have plans to go to college, even in the near future, they should try to do everything to stop them.

  there’s so much ranting i could do about that alone, but to make matters worse, this is a considerably well off man.

  he has his own buisness, a nice house with an additional room he added on last year, and him and his wife just took a lavish european trip.

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  joey jojo

  Nothing more infuriating than a financially successful elder that works full time giving advice about how unimportant becoming financially successful is.

  One gag-worthy example where I live is an elder that became a dot-com multi millionaire arriving at our cong in his Mercedes giving this advice.
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  Watchtower's 49 Date Failures Mostly Ditched Without Fanfare

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  watchtower's apparent obsession with calendar dates is legendary.

  what follow's are snippets from the main article.

  link will follow.. .

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  joey jojo

  Google ' end world predictions' and you will get a long list full of crack pots and charlatans that have tried to predict the date the world will end.

  Notable names like Jim Jones and Charles Manson are listed along with less well known people.

  One woman, living in the 1800's owned a chicken that laid eggs with the words ' christ is coming' written on them. It turned out the woman was etching the words onto an egg the chicken had already laid and re-inserted the egg into the chicken before inviting her friends over to witness the miracle of the fortune telling chicken.

  Usually though, once a person has been caught out, or their predictions don't come true, they stop making predictions because the world knows they are a fraud.

  Except for one group that appears not once but FIVE times on the list, over a 100 yr period. Anyone want to take a wild guess which group it is??? 🤔

  Yep, just like the magic chicken, the wts keep re-inserting the same egg and try to amaze the next generation with an end world prediction. Sometimes they add words to the egg like 'overlapping', or 'evidently' but it's still the same egg.
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  'Serving where the need is greater' - who does it benefit?

  by eyeslice2 in

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  we have recently been in asia on vacation, travelling to a number of countries in this part of the world.

  whilst in thailand, my wife, totally pimo, wanted to go to the english speaking convention in bangkok.

  although i haven't been active for a very long time, i went along with her.. the first thing that slightly surprised me was the attendance, well over 900. i hadn't expected that many but they were from all over the country, which is a pretty big place.

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  joey jojo

  Someone recently started an interesting post about this, apologies for not remembering who it was.

  Aussies love Thailand because it's close and cheap. No surprise that quite a few JW couples live over there for a while, getting jobs like teaching English or whatever, to support themselves.

  Of course, in JW land, there always has to be a theocratic reason for making such a big move, so helping and supporting the local cong, or becoming a need-greater (gag) is the 'real' reason for the move to the tropics.
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  Is there a surge in "Upwakers"?

  by Phizzy in

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  the stupid word in the topic title is a piss-take on the bloody silly jw word "needgreaters" that i have seen them use.. but my question is genuine, i know it is a cyclical thing, we get what seems to be a lot of newbies, and then things quieten down, but not just on here, elsewhere on social media i am seeing stories of people finding the courage to leave, having woken up for a variety of reasons, but usually the child abuse scandal, and the spiteful, judgmental nature of many jw's, who, though supposedly friends, will run off to the elders to snitch on you, not talk to you.

  is their a real increase in those leaving ?

  i do hope so, so many more finding real freedom and happiness !.

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  joey jojo

  Hey Phizzy.

  Wondering if coming to the end of 2018 has been a mental trigger for some?

  100 yrs from 1914 - 2014 might have started the slide and the arrival of 2018, 100 yrs since the end of ww1 has sealed the deal?
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  This Is It?

  by Nevuela in

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  i can't say much out of fear of getting caught, but i overheard a jw i know on the phone with a friend talking about "how close we are to the end.

  " yeah, yeah, i know.

  we've been on the brink of armageddon for well over a century, but what struck me about this particular instance was what she said next.

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  joey jojo

  Googling 'end of world predictions' displays a long list in which JW's feature.

  The long list of failed prophecies , which includes Jim Jones and Charles Manson should embarrass anyone associated with any of the organisations on it. But it doesn't seem to worry dubs.

  There is power in knowing something that only your group knows and this gives average people a feeling of superiority over others.

  JW history has been pure speculation sold as unfailing prophecy.